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Overcoming Life Ambushes with Navy Seal Lieutenant Jason Redman



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Gary Pinkerton hosts Jason Redman, former Navy Seal and author of The Trident: The Forging and Reforging of a Navy Seal Leader. Redman reflects on some of his experiences in overcoming obstacles. Jason explains how he conquers his ambitions and gives us his system of Pentagon Performance. Later he goes into why money is the number 1 stress for individuals.

Announcer 0:04
Welcome to the heroic investing show. As first responders we risk our lives every day our financial security is under attack. Our pensions are in a state of emergency. A single on duty incident can alter or erase our earning potential instantly and forever. We are the heroes of society. We are self reliant, and we need to take care of our own financial future. The heroic investing show is our toolkit of business and investing tactics on our mission to financial freedom.

Gary Pinkerton 0:39
Hello, and welcome to Episode 159 of the heroic investing show. This is a podcast for first responders, members of the military, veterans and anyone looking to improve their financial future and gain some freedom with their time. We teach America’s heroes how to build passive income, build their startup business and safely grow wealth through real estate and other alternative investments. We help individuals put in place a solid foundation that they can depend on and more importantly, that their families can depend on that enables them to focus on that unique genius of theirs, that service or product that they have been wanting to share with others that people have told them forever. You are so amazing at this you need to share it with the world. And they just haven’t had the the resources or the time to do it. Hopefully this will help individuals and this episode is one that I think will help more than many others. I close the show with Jason Hartman My name is Gary Pinkerton. And I am could not be more proud then to have conducted this interview with Navy SEAL Lieutenant Jason Redman and Jason wrote a book the Trident, which maybe you have read, the tagline on that is the forging and re forging of a Navy SEAL leader. And in that book, he talks about the challenges that he that he had in combat situations in Colombia, Peru, Afghanistan, and finally Iraq. And the title indicates that he had to be forged once and then reforged again. And, you know, as he explains, in our interview here, the first challenge and it’s really well laid out in his book, first challenge was when he had to relearn or finally for the first time learn, I guess, what it meant to be a true leader. And he’s now sharing that with the world and his speaking tours and his books, and in the service that he provides through all kinds of charitable organizations, and simply just helping others and now he’s launching, in addition to his professional speaking, he’s launching a personal coaching program. This guy is busy. And Jason, I guess anyone who has met Jay knows that, that he is a very inspiring individual. I think your time will be well spent on this interview, I want you to key in really closely on just the the strength that Jay has. And when you listen to his story, think back at individuals, you know, that may need his help, that could very much benefit from that kind of service. You know, he provides so many different things. You wear this through charitable organizations, businesses that he’s running personal contact, he has a great unique approach to how to be a well rounded individual that can handle what we call life’s ambushes. And he’ll get into what that means it’s a great approach to think about what we do with those bumps in the road. Some of them are more than bumps in the road. They’re massive. So without further ado, I know you’re going to love this, this conversation and it’s a little bit on the longer side. So I don’t want to hold up any longer. Please enjoy this conversation. And this great advice from an incredible patriotic leader, navy seal. Jay Redmond. If you haven’t come across Jason Reitman yet, Navy Lieutenant seal, Jason Redman, who also did a bunch of Special Forces training and has an incredible story you should do so I think they’re I haven’t asked Jason this. But I think there ought to be a movie in the making here sometime. incredibly, incredibly inspiring individual. He’s got a couple of companies out there where he’s helping wounded warriors, and where he’s, you know, starting to help businesses take on the military warrior ethos. And so Jason, thanks so much for joining us,

Jason Redman 4:18
Gary. I’m honored to be on, man. Thank you.

Gary Pinkerton 4:21
Absolutely. So Jason, I’m gonna let you drive today, I think, no doubt, you can lead you’ve demonstrated that we’re very much interested in, you know, what you can tell the audience about how to, you know, perform at a higher level, maybe with their own business, and then just how you can personally help.

Jason Redman 4:39
Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, we’ll dive right in headfirst here. The first you know, you’re right, everything that I speak on, I am a voracious student of leadership. And that stems from both my background and being a leader and even in leadership failings. Um, you know, a lot of people that have not read my book and people who don’t know me All they hear is hey, you know, Jason Redfin, he was a Navy SEAL leader, he’s this guy that’s done all these things. But if they read my book, they find out that I’m a guy that failed at a pretty great level at one point. Yep. And now I speak so much on how to overcome those failures, and how to be prepared for some of these things that come along in life. And that’s really one of my core themes. So in leadership, I have three lessons of leadership, we’ll come back full circle back to the financial side of things. But those three lessons are meet yourself, lead others and lead always, those are the three lessons that I try to encourage everybody to follow when it comes to leadership. And the pivotal, absolutely most critical component of those three rules is number one, I have a ton of people who talk to me and say, Hey, Jay, you know, I’m in XYZ company, or I’m doing this on a sports team. I’ve got these team of individuals are I’ve got these people underneath me, and we’re trying to accomplish X, Y, and Z, how do I do it better? And the number one question I always ask them is, well tell me how well you lead yourself. Because that is the number one thing that’s going to enable you to lead others you know, to have that balance to have that structure to have those that path, if you will, because people want to follow a leader, right, and follow a title they don’t want to follow, you know, a position, they want to follow somebody that truly sets the example. And that really is the epitome of this leadership, by example, mindset. When I get into self leadership, I break it down into something called the Pentagon performance. And those are five key areas of your life that I tell people they need to apply time and effort to, to be a well balanced leader and to be best equipped to encounter. The situations are gonna come along in your life. And if you will, what I call them are life emotions. So I survived real world ambush, real world enemy ambush in September of 2007. Very well executed ambush that, you know, they did all they could to take out me and my team, and I was hit eight times by enemy gunfire between my body armor and body. And what enabled me to survive that gunfight came down to those five points, those five areas depending on performance. So one was physical, physical leadership, that kind of shaped by was how I was prepared for that situation. Two was mental leadership. Mentally I was prepared, I developed a strong, resilient, overcome mindset. Number three was emotional leadership. So emotionally, I was ready, I was prepared. Maybe not necessarily for being severely wounded. But really understanding how to navigate my emotions and how to manage this catastrophic event that occurred, I talked to people about calm, is contagious. And in a situation like that. And this overwhelming situation, it’s important to be in charge of our emotions. And I talk to people about that. The fourth one is social leadership, how we manage our networks, the people around us, you know, going out and rings up, you know, family, friends, then it gets into our business relationships, and then it’s the external relationships. And then the top one is spiritual leadership. So now that we’ve laid out all that ground, when we talk about preparing for life ambush, let’s come back to the beginning level. And that is physical leadership, it is the most fundamental lesson of your ability to lead yourself. And for most people, when I talk about physical leadership, I talk about how you take care of yourself physically. So that is nutrition that it’s working out. That is your ability to manage this body as vessel we live in. And most people don’t take care of themselves. You know, I mean, there is a growing number of people in America who are overweight, and they have very poor diets, their sleep patterns are very poor. And the problem with that is, in this day and age with everything we’re trying to do, we know for a fact that if you’re not taking care of yourself, if you’re not working out, if you don’t have good nutrition, if you don’t have good sleep habits, your energy levels are much lower, not only that, you’re not able to handle stress better. So right off the bat, you were at a disadvantage. So now let’s take that a step further. When we talk about physical leadership, what are the other things that we had the tangible things, so one of those things would be money and how we manage our money money is probably one of the number one things that creates stress in individuals.

Gary Pinkerton 9:33
Yeah, I was just going to comment that it’s um, this is just amazing. I was not about to cut cut in there. My only comment there would be this it really it’s an appetite just like anything else. I work with people all the time, and we look at their budgets, and it’s really just about being able to control your appetite. Right. And the other thing that I would comment is that similar to your physical fitness, there are no shortcuts you know, everyone thinks that, you know, we can make diet sodas, tastes sweet and they’re not going to hurt us or we can You know, do artificial sweeteners and they’re not going to hurt us. And they do, right? There just are no shortcuts, you have to do the work to get the result.

Jason Redman 10:06
Yep, absolutely. And it’s no different with financial, it’s no different than anything else you’re preparing for. A lot of times, I use the samurai as a great example of a very well balanced warrior class, because they weren’t just great fighters. They were balanced across the spectrum. So they studied a lot of history. And they were very well read, they were very educated, they were very civil to each other. Stability was a very important part, relationships, family, they were just incredibly well balanced. And I think leadership and financial leadership is one of those areas. And I would lump under physical leadership, one of those areas of the Pentagon performance and the second component, it would dovetail into mental leadership, because one, educating yourself. So understanding how you put your money to work, and how you set yourself up for that long term plan. And doing the research necessary. You know, for some people, maybe they want to invest their money into, you know, real estate, or maybe it’s in the stock market or things like that. But no matter what, you have a solid plan, and you’re continuing to educate yourself. One of the concerns that I have, and I know there’s going to be a lot of individuals who fall into this category that listen to this podcast, is being a retired military member with a disability from my injuries, I have a set retirement income that’s coming in every month. I mean, it’s, it’s amazing. But I tell you one thing that I wonder about, I told my wife, I said, you know, we shouldn’t necessarily count on this forever. As much as you know, we’ve earned it. You know, there have been other instances where pension plans were stopped just because of the lack of funding, and we watch the direction US government, it’s going, you know, with the amount of programs that we’re continuing to shell money out, you know, I pray that I never lose my retirement and disability income. But at the same time, you know, that pivotal question that I asked in the beginning, will you be ready, being ready is preparing yourself for the unexpected. But we you know, we have the same in the seal teams, it’s planned for the worst and hope for the best. So that would definitely be a worst case scenario, if I suddenly lost my retirement and disability income, you know, from what I earned over a 21 year pretty hard combat league career. But even though there’s a small chance of that, in my opinion, if that suddenly happened, I would be to blame, because it’s a consideration that I took into to tell myself Okay, what else are you doing to be ready for that? So, you know, my wife and I are looking at other areas that we could invest in to pad, you know, our savings and our future?

Gary Pinkerton 12:50
Yeah, well, you’re out there producing value for people and you’re getting a an economy of exchange for it, meaning that you’re getting money, which is just a receipt for the value you provided other people. And I think that we have to be careful, because pensions can kind of be drugs to Hey, you know, I mean, for someone who is challenged every day, because of the physical wounds that they received in battle, you know, you are affected far worse than I was, you know, I was never shot in my 30 years, you know, and there are people who have far greater challenges even on a daily basis than you do. And for those individuals, and for you, that is a compensation for maybe something that you can’t produce out in the real world today because of those impacts. But for a lot of us, we just kind of did our time and served honorably. But if we sit back on our heels as an incredible leader, and don’t use that, you know, use the rest of our lives, I mean, we could retire in our 40s. And if we don’t use the rest, you know, our talents to the, you know, the betterment of society, then you’re right, you actually do it to yourself, because the only real thing that will ever I believe that will ever make us safe, financially safe in the future, no matter what comes our way is our ability to go out there and add value. People are always going to listen to Jay Redmond talk about how to help their company get better. And they’re they’re always ready for a dose of some enthusiasm and some inspiration to get moving better in their company. And so that’s not going to go out of style. Right. So that’s what I try to do is help other people. I really appreciate you bringing that up.

Jason Redman 14:13
Yeah, absolutely. I’m the same way. You nailed it. I mean, your ability to provide value and not only that your ability to have a purpose. We’re really running on some issues in the Wounded Warrior community. I mean, on the on the bright side of things, we’re probably taking care of our severely wounded warriors better than we ever have in the past. And a lot of these guys and gals with severe injuries hundred percent disabilities are getting out of the military and they’ve got a decent income. I don’t want to call it a great income. You know, if you take your average middle enlisted infantry men and you get in he medically retires due to his injuries, or she they are bringing in you know, probably, you know if they’re lucky, maybe 2425 thousand dollars a year. The problem that happens though with them is a lot of them, they just want to sit on that, like you say, they don’t want to get back out there, you know, it’s like, Hey, I’m bringing in enough money to live on. But one of the big things we’re seeing is a lack purpose. And we’re seeing a massive levels of depression, massive levels of veteran suicides are on the rise, we saw a 10% increase in 911, veterans suicide last year. And I personally believe a lot of that has to do with purpose, I think human beings were built to have purpose and creating value for someone else gives you purpose to be able to get out there and do something, that’s one of the biggest things that I try and encourage them to do, we run a program called the overcome Academy, it’s a leadership program specifically for wounded warriors. So when we try and teach them purpose, and how to take the things that they like to do weather, you know, maybe it’s fixing cars, or maybe it’s computers, or maybe, you know, it’s whatever, and turning that into income, turning that into a job that now it becomes their new purpose. So now they’re providing money for them and their family to have a purpose. And they’re not so dependent on this, you know, this pension, if you will, right. So that’s one of the things that we’re trying to encourage people to do. And you know, as well as I do, that having balance in those areas, and especially in the financial areas, gives you a little more peace of mind, and you’re able to handle the stress of life, and you’re able to handle other life ambushes that come along, as opposed to a financial one, especially if you’re weak in the other areas.

Gary Pinkerton 16:42
Right. I mean, you could be the best guy on earth making, I don’t know, I’m going to come up with something silly, but you know, left handed, fishhooks that are the best out there, but one, you may not recognize it. And two, you don’t have the time or the finances to be able to master it, so that you do become the best out there. And so having a you know, an underlying kind of passive income, our pensions, you know, if you get 100% disability, the problem is, as you just mentioned, a lot of these guys are very junior when they have their accidents and get medically discharged. So they don’t have a really high pension, even if it’s 100%. And so they’re a little bit challenged with that underlying, but it gives a little bit of a boost. And if you can give them the or our programs can give them the motivation to have the confidence to go do it. And I think it makes a huge difference. And you mentioned the mental and emotional when when you know an ambush occurs. You know, it’s also important that that house is in order those two houses are in order for how you recover from it. Right. I mean, you have a great story about, you know, your big orange piece of paper that you put on the outside of your, your hospital, I think was orange, right and your hospital review saying, Hey, don’t come in with pity here, folks. You know, it’s not what I’m about. Right. So you had, you know, I think it took you a little while. But you got that in order. And I think it was probably because of the strength of your mental and emotional sides, you know, before you got ambushed.

Jason Redman 18:00
That’s right. Except here’s the funny thing. A lot of people always ask me, they say, oh, man being ambushed. And what happened to you is probably the worst thing that happened to you. But the reality is, it wasn’t, you know, those who read my book that tried to forge a reforging of a Navy SEAL leader, the reason we selected that title, the forging, a lead forging is my wounds were actually the reforging I was broken twice. And the first time was a failure in leadership. And that was the original 14 that I had to go through to really come to understand what it is to be an effective leader. And I wasn’t prepared for that. You know, I talked about how you got to lead yourself how you got that balance in these five areas I didn’t have I was way out of sync. I was not prepared, you know, that fundamental question, will you be ready, I wasn’t ready for it. And it almost destroyed my career. I was not mentally prepared. I definitely wasn’t emotionally prepared. Because if I have been a little more emotionally prepared, when that stuff happened, I could have taken a step back and looked at it and recognized reality and said, okay, you know, these are some of the mistakes you made and people are trying to help you. Instead, I saw it as a personal attack, and I fought back against it, you know, against this hard, constructive criticism I was receiving. The bottom line is going through that journey of leadership failure, having individuals believe in me and say, Hey, you know, we’re gonna fix you if you’re willing to fix yourself. And going through that journey, recognizing that as a leader, I needed to be strong physically, I needed to be stronger, mentally, I needed to be much stronger emotion. I needed to build better networks around myself, both the mentors that I can lean on both my family, my friends, my work, relationships, and then spiritually, all of that set me up for success when I was actually wounded in a life ambush. And that’s one of the most pivotal things that I talked to people about, you know, this is idea. If you are balanced in these areas, your life and financial balance is a component of this. Because when these life ambushes happen in 10 years, when I talk about a life ambush, let me clarify what that can be. A life ambush is a catastrophic event that will happen in your life that will forever leave a physical, mental or emotional scar. Now, some of these can be at a lower level. And when I talk about a lower level, this one would have a huge financial impact, it would be the sudden unexpected loss of your job. So here you are, you’re a middle manager in a big company, and you’re doing well you’re making six figures and everything looks good. And all of a sudden out of the blue, this company goes under and lays everybody off. I mean, that is a shock to the system, you got young kids, they’re at school, you got payments, you have a mortgage, if you’re not prepared for that, that could totally for you. It could make it even worse. If you’re off balance in other areas of your life, if your health is poor, if you’re mentally and emotionally not ready, you may not be in the viewpoint to suddenly shift gears and say, okay, you know, where am I marketable and my marketable in the same area that I used to be working in? Or do I have to shift focus to a new area Do I have to reinvent myself, the higher levels of life ambushes, you know, start to get into life threatening illness, once again, something else that can create massive financial impact, it can be a severe accident, once again, medical bills really rock add up, and then from there starts to get into the impact on other people around you. So, you know, life threatening illness to a family member could be Unfortunately, sometimes sexual trauma, it’s definitely a live ambush. And then from there, it’s the loss of a loved one. And one of the highest levels I’ve seen when it comes to life ambushes is the unexpected loss of a child. So these are the things that you have to prepare for. And with the vast majority of them, unfortunately, living in a world that relies upon the exchange of currency to make things happen, being financially balanced, is a critical component. Because if you are not ready, if you don’t have, you know, a couple months of income set aside, if you don’t have money and savings, you know, if you’re not living within your means, when something comes along, and life ambush occurs, you’re not going to be reading on a lot of levels,

Gary Pinkerton 22:27
right? It just adds to it right, it adds to the other trauma that you’re trying to deal with, you know, and I think any parent who has adult children or grandchildren and you know, in the grandchild comes down with cancer, for example, and, and their, you know, their ability to drop everything, put their business on hold, or quit their job and go out and take care of that individual is a life changing capability that they have. And when you’re not able to do that, it’s just gonna stress you out, it’s gonna stress family out could ruin relationships in lives. I mean, it’s huge. I completely agree. That’s a very, very good point. I was thinking, you know, really, it’s the mental and emotional, that carry you through, right? It’s and really, because those two are what help you identify and pursue purpose, right. And it’s having a reason to get up every day and not just collect the passive income that makes a huge difference in our lives. You know, I think back to Dr. Viktor Frankl, right? It’s the same thing that got him through the concentration camp that got you through the hospital bed, and that gets all of these wounded warriors through their experience. And those that don’t have the purpose. Back to your comment that a lot of times they just get kind of stuck. You know, they’re not really on the couch, but on the proverbial couch, collecting income and having a horrible mental attitude, not contributing to society. And

Jason Redman 23:40
I’m giving you there’s an exact point, it’s funny, you talked about being on the couch. Here’s an exact point that I talk about when it comes to life ambushes where people get stuck. And what’s funny is it directly correlates with a real world ambush. So in a real world ambush and this ambush that I was in, you know, with very seasoned, very well experienced, it was the security element for the number one al Qaeda leader for the Anbar province in Iraq, that we went after that night and we play into their ambush. And it was an incredibly well executed ambush, a enemy ambush or an any you know, firefight laden ambush is designed to totally overwhelm the individuals that are on the receiving end, they’re in the kill zone. And the idea is to try and overwhelm them to the point that they cannot fight back that the sheer volume of fire and chaos that’s coming in at them, causes them to just lay down and essentially die, be perfectly honest, that point where those individuals are where we call that the kill zone where those individuals are in that area of fire. We call that the x. And the only way that you can survive a real world ambush is to get off the axe. You have to fight your way out of it, or blow through it as we call it. And the funny thing is, life is ambushes are so are no different. So many people in that moment, you know, these events that occur are overwhelming to us. They’re overwhelming just because of all the things that come along and impact us. And we just, there’s a natural tendency for some people, if they’re not ready to do sit there on the edge are like our wounded warriors who sit on the couch, and they don’t get out of their house. And I tell them, in order to succeed, in order to survive, you have to get off the axe. And I don’t care what it is in your life, whether it’s financial, whether it’s physical, emotional, mental, you know, social, spiritual, I don’t care what it is, if you have been involved in a life ambush, and you’re not getting out of it. So many people have a tendency to look back at what they lost. And they focus on that they focus on what is now gone. They don’t look at the way to move forward, when the reality is they need to turn around and they need to look at how do I move forward? How do I get off the axe? So that’s such a critical thing that I talk to people about when I do coaching? You know, whatever problem they have, I tell them, okay, we’re going to come up with a plan. But the number one thing you’re going to tell yourself, when you find yourself stuck or feeling sorry for yourself or looking back is get off the axe.

Gary Pinkerton 26:17
Yeah, I’ve had totally, you know, change this horrible scenario, and start making some improvement in some direction. Yeah, that that is huge. I think we covered a lot of the social, what about the spiritual,

Jason Redman 26:28
so the spiritual is our ability to get outside of ourselves. And for some people, it is religion. For me, I’m a religious guy, I’m a Christian. Not everybody believes that. And I don’t fault anyone for that in any way. It’s the higher level of our existence. But the bottom line is, we need to step outside of me. Because by stepping outside of ourselves, we start to have perspective on the bigger world around us. And one of the greatest things about perspective is you begin to recognize that whatever you’re going through somebody else out there is God, it’s so much worse. And, and you have the ability to change your environment. So by by allowing time to focus on the spiritual level, whether it’s meditation, whether it’s breathing exercises, for some people, it’s yoga, for some people, maybe it’s giving back, it’s going down and working in the soup kitchen or volunteering for another organization. But no matter why you’re stepping outside of yourself, and you’re starting to recognize that everybody’s got problems, and you have the ability to influence other people. And that’s what I talked to people about, you know, the night of my firefight. For me, it was a, it was a religious experience that helped me through that. For others, it’s getting into that Zen mind, you know, mindfulness is what some people like to talk about. But no matter why, it gives you a little bit more peace of mind, it enables you to step outside of, for lack of a better term, the pain and misery that you’re in in that ambush in the moment.

Gary Pinkerton 28:03
Yeah, and I would push that that’s so amazing. I would push people to take small steps on their journey to doing that. I mean, maybe going and doing 30 minutes of meditation a day and talking to a spiritual being that maybe you don’t believe in yet. That may be too big of a step. But you know, just doing like one very simple thing my son and I started doing a couple of years ago, after a really good entrepreneurial retreat was to do a gratitude journal. I mean, that certainly is not breaking news, right? But just the concept of focusing on somebody else, and then focusing on some positive things right before bed, and sometime during the day, when you’re all wrapped up and things has a huge, huge impact. And, you know, I don’t want to oversimplify this, but you really can’t be how do I say this? You can’t be feeling sorry for yourself and stuck in a rut and emotionally distraught if you’re thinking of somebody else. I mean, it’s just that simple, like Mother Teresa and Jesus and Gandhi, you know, they were very happy content individuals, because they didn’t, they just trained themselves not to think about them and their worries and their lack. And so it’s really, you know, what was me is really hard to say and think when you’re helping somebody else do something, you know. So that’s just that’s incredible guidance or advice. Yes.

Jason Redman 29:13
It’s cathartic. I mean, that’s the bottom line. And that’s one of the things that I quickly realized after I was wounded, I wanted to try and help other wounded warriors. And it’s one of the things that I encourage people to do in coaching. I had a young lady that came to me recently and coaching and she had laid out this path for her life. And she went to school and just through a series of unfortunate events, the path that she had laid out that she had been going after for probably almost eight years of her life, crumbled and fell apart, and she did not have the ability to go down that path any longer. And she was devastated. absolutely devastated. I mean, that was a life ambush for her and she did not know how to get off the axe. And we talked a lot about how to get off the axe. But one of the things I I told her as I want you to go volunteer for an organization, I want you to go volunteer and help. What did I talk to her about the kids, under her kids and in the neighborhood. And that’s exactly what she did. And by doing so it made her realize all the opportunities she still had, instead of focusing so much on what she lost,

Gary Pinkerton 30:20
think about the power to with the impact on those kids, when they saw somebody like her helping them right, you know, they’re feeling sorry about themselves, and they see her helping them. That’s, that’s just incredible. That’s great advice. I want to just circle back here in our last couple minutes, you were talking about leadership, and I want you to spend a couple minutes on, you know, what your upcoming events are, where your upcoming kind of focus is, and then what you do for individuals with with your coaching and how that might apply to some here and just basically resources for the audience. One of the things,

Jason Redman 30:49
absolutely, so obviously, I mean, you can find out just about everything about me through my website, Jason redmond.com. through there, you know, you can get links to my social media, I put out a blog every other week. And then I have a podcast that jr overcomes show that we put out every other week. So both of those drop on Thursday, weekly. And then, with coaching my coaching links, right on the website, I’m offering four different levels of coaching right now. So one is just a 30 minute phone call. So obviously, we can’t get too in depth in there. But I have a form that I had people fill out ahead of time, kind of lets me know where an individual is and what they’re looking for. And then we have a quick phone call and basically talk you through that idea of getting off the axe or whatever’s going on in your life. Some of the other options I have are a our session where we create a plan, and I email you that plan. And then I have a month program where once a week we get on a call and we’re going through our action plan and then have a three month plan. So that’s what I’ve got set up right now. I’ve also got some of my products on my page. And you know one of those things, you can buy my book, the Trident forging, reforging, I don’t sell on signed copies of my book, so you get a signed copy. And it’s an amazing story. My journey has been an incredible one. It’s a story of leadership and failure, and redemption. And it’s a love story. It’s a story of how my wife, that social network I had was so strong, and through that. And then if you’re interested in supporting wounded warriors go to combat wounded coalition.org. That’s our organization. And the overcome Academy is our leadership program that we’re doing for our wounded warriors. And then the last thing if you’re looking to bring me into your company, if you’d like me to come in and speak on leadership on the Pentagon, a performance on change pyramid on how to lead yourself how to overcome all you can book me right through my website.

Gary Pinkerton 32:41
That’s awesome. That was quite a list. You’re busy man. Yeah. And you might have to play that back their team and our audience and see, get the details. But I mean, you can go right to his website and see some incredible stuff. I don’t think he even mentioned wounded wear, which is just some awesome clothing, that you’re putting out there to give some inspiration to individuals who have been through physical challenges. You know, one of the things I want to kind of close with is something that we talked about the very beginning. And that was obviously, most of your mission in life is to help other people be leaders, right, so they can overcome those life ambushes. And one of the things I wanted to comment is, I believe, and this goes to why somebody should go for coaching like yours, I don’t believe that leadership can be faked no matter what. And you know, my follow on from the Navy as a sales career and the financial world. And I’ve listened to and I’ve watched other people try to take stories or comments or phrases from one person and use it themselves. And it just doesn’t work. Because it doesn’t come from your core and leadership is the same way. You can say words, but if the emotion and the actual belief is not there, it doesn’t do any good. I think being genuine, is really important. And being a leader, I believe all of us are leaders in our lives. You don’t have to have people working for you to be a leader. I mean, you’re a leader when you pick up trash on the side of the road and put in the trash can or help a disabled person across the street. So, man, I you know, Jay, I know for a fact that our careers are going to cross paths and I hope that the same happens for members of my audience.

Jason Redman 34:04
Gary, absolutely, man. So hey, I live by motto lead always overcome all and I encourage everybody out there to do it. That’s in all aspects of your life, including your finances,

Gary Pinkerton  34:15
folks said Jay just dropped the mic walked off the stage. So I hope you enjoyed that. And please reach out to his website. Thank you so much.

Jason Hartman 34:24
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