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How Successful People Think Smart by Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler

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Jason Hartman hosts Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler, Doctor of Psychology with over 45 years of pioneering brain/mind research experience. Dr. Ammon-Wexler gives us tips on how to teach mind power methods for university and corporation settings. She talks about her personal development approaches. She talks about how to get on a productive path in life and business.

Announcer 0:04
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Jason Hartman 0:41
It’s my pleasure to welcome Dr. Joe Amman Wexler to the show. She’s the author of How successful think smart seven ways you can develop their mind power. Joe, welcome. How are you today?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 0:53
I’m just great enjoying the sun? How about you Jason good

Jason Hartman 0:56
doing the same thing. Got an incredible resume you served on Jimmy Carter’s special Commission on women in business. Yes, I did been consulting for 45 years on these topics. So we’re gonna have an interesting discussion. Tell us a little bit about your background.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 1:10
I was initially going toward becoming a physician and stumbled into the mind through a meeting that was happening at Stanford. It was just a very informal meeting students from Stanford, UC Berkeley and San Jose. We were studying the brainwaves of meditators, Jason and and what we discovered, I mean, just blew the top right off our heads. We discovered alpha brainwaves and went wild. We thought we’d hit the mother lode.

Jason Hartman 1:37
And can you imagine if you had back then the functional MRIs we have today?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 1:46
Yeah, we had very primitive equipment compared to what we have today. But still, it was very exciting. And it literally changed my life and changed my career path. Although I’d done all my pre medical studies, I immediately came to his company. illusion that I wanted to study how the brain influences our behavior. And it just became a burning passion of mine. At that meeting,

Jason Hartman 2:09
there’s a lot of ROI here a lot of return on investment. If we can learn how to more successfully use this incredibly powerful tool between our ears, we can do amazing things. And you know, you mentioned Stanford, did you go to Stanford? No,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 2:23
actually, I was at San Jose University, okay, University of California at San Jose, and completed my first two degrees there. And after that to Columbia,

Jason Hartman 2:33
I’ve been very interested in the work of Dr. Carl pre-boom, who you’re probably quite familiar with at Stanley and his holographic brain theory and how it applies to goal achievement. And, you know, even the more you know, catchy phrase, nowadays, the law of attraction, let’s dive in and talk about this. I mean, what are some of these seven ways and why do you call it what you know? First, maybe the title of the book is interesting to me because it seems like a play on words. seven ways you can develop their mind power. What do you mean by that?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 3:04
Well, basically speaking, the people that I’ve studied through the years that just an amazing people, especially in the very beginning, folks in Silicon Valley that were just entrepreneurs, company, presidents, judges, performing artists, fascinating people, and I discovered very quickly using eg that they all shared very similar brainwave patterns. You don’t have just one brainwave, for example, you don’t just sit there and you aren’t an alpha. Basically, you’re creating a whole scope of brainwaves simultaneously. Well, I discovered that this group of people had a great similarity in their configuration of brainwaves. And from there that directed all of my my subsequent studies about what is different about the brains of these winners and can normal people learn to do what they do. And I quickly discovered Yes, there Ways to train that

Jason Hartman 4:01
that is probably where we go into the seven ways. Okay to highlight those for us if you would,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 4:08
well, I’ll just run right through them. Basically speaking, the most important thing that I want to open with is that you can train your brain to duplicate the special ways that beginners have developed and use their brains. You aren’t just born with that brain, it’s developed and used. And the seven ways that winner’s brains are extremely different is number one, their functional balance, they have developed an ability to simultaneously balance and use both sides of their brain. Now Jason, ordinary people can’t do this. They’re either right brained their right, their left brain, they go back and forth. A Winner can focus and use the whole brain simultaneously. It’s amazing.

Jason Hartman 4:52
Of course, I’m sure you’re familiar with it like the holosync program by neural beats and those types of things. They aim to help us put the brain together the two sides of the brain together, why is it so important that we use both sides? I mean, do we need both sides at the same time? Or are some tasks really suited for one side or the other?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 5:13
Well, some tests might be suited for one side or the other. But Marian diamond years ago, studied Einstein’s brain and discovered that he had a massive, massive amount of glial cells, which are the cells that basically create the highways in your brain, those glial cells were tremendously thick, supporting the communication between the two sides of the cortex, the cerebral cortex, the left side and the right side. Now, there’s some people that do not have that highway system. It’s not normal, it’s developed. It’s there in terms of being able to use it simultaneously. I’ll tell you one of the things that happens when you truly have a balanced brain and I’ve seen this not only with the people I work with, but also in myself. When you have that balance. There’s almost like an aha experience that goes along with it, Jason, you can almost feel a flash of light in your brain, you may feel a sense of vibration and the insight that comes with it is awesome. Okay, so it so it goes across the two sides.

Jason Hartman 6:16
My first question is with that you say that insight, that flash of balance, that aha moment, if you will, is that something that, you know, we all experience occasionally, even if we’ve never tried to train our brain to use both sides simultaneously?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 6:34
That’s possible, okay. It’s possible that in a moment of great insight, or even religious insight, that that could occur. Most normal people don’t report that happening in their life, but it doesn’t mean it can’t

Jason Hartman 6:48
people who have trained this and of course, I’m going to ask you how we train this. And I can’t wait to hear but the people that have framed it, are they always functioning on both sides at all time. Not right

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 7:00
now, not by not by any means, okay? No, this is a state that they can that they can generate, that they can enter into more likely on demand, as opposed to the normal person that, you know, it’s like a gift that comes in, it’s gone. It is learned the ability to control it as learned, for example, you look at Tibetan monks, you can bet that they go in and out of that state. And in fact, I know of one religious leader that practically lives in that state,

Jason Hartman 7:30
if one can do this. And if it’s so powerful and beneficial, wouldn’t you just want to stay in the state all the time, or does it take does it take effort to stay in that state or take

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 7:39
effort? It would take effort it would take energy it would take basically speaking, the individual I spoke of that pretty much lives in that state that is not a state where you would remember to get out of the way of a speeding bus. Mm hmm. You can’t, you can’t live there. That’s a state you might want to enter into. If you are making Extremely important decision,

Jason Hartman 8:02
it seems like our Creator gave us so many great tools. And why wouldn’t this just be natural that we would be able to use both sides of our brain? I mean, why are the hemispheres separated? And why wouldn’t they work together?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 8:17
Actually, the hemispheres are quite different. The left hemisphere for example, if you go down into a molecular level, there are almost vertical stacks there that basically create a capability the stack for this one the stack, but this one, the stack for this one, that portion of the brain is one plus one equals two, it’s rational, it handles that aspect of our being the creative side of our brain, on the other hand, is very interconnected with glial cells. And this creates an ability to, to literally swim around that side of your cortex to create new combinations of thoughts, not one plus one equals two, one plus one might equal two and a half over there. And it’ll make sense and it will equal two and a half. So you have two different aspects. You know, there’s certain people, for example, you’ll look at an engineer, mathematician, they’re probably using those vertical stacks. And literally going through them looking for analytical answers to things. If you want to be creative, you fall over onto that other side. And that that’s where you begin to generate alpha brainwaves and go into altered states where you can allow yourself to flow into your answers, as opposed to logically analytically breaking them down.

Jason Hartman 9:43
You were talking about the seven steps,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 9:46
right? Let’s go to step two. And this is very, very pronounced in successful people from all walks of life, Jason, winners in any avenue of life have a an extremely refined ability to really focus on an activity, they single tax, they do not multitask. Multitasking can be very, very expensive in terms of being able to solve a problem or to do something creative. Because if you break your thought process and go on to a multitask, it can take up to half an hour to refocus and come back to your initial task. So we find focused, extremely refined.

Jason Hartman 10:30
I wonder about that, though. When it comes to things like driving, it’s been said that once we learn how to drive and we’re, you know, relatively could, we’re in an alpha state unless we need to really pay attention to something in particular, but generally isn’t driving a sort of an alpha state.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 10:47
It could be an alpha state. Okay,

Jason Hartman 10:48
when we’re in that my question is, the reason I ask is this, it does not seem to me regardless of what anybody says, at least for me, dangerous to drive and talk on the phone. or dangerous to drive and listen to music or dangerous to drive and listen to an audiobook. Okay? dialing the phone may be dangerous but actual having a discussion on the phone does not seem dangerous.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 11:11
The minute you think a thought, or the minute you open your mouth to say a thought you are in beta,

Jason Hartman 11:19
period. Okay. Okay. So talking is beta

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 11:22
talking is beta, talking to yourself as beta? Hmm. So in terms in terms of being in an alpha state when you’re driving, not necessarily, not necessarily at all You may be quite stressed out depends on traffic and the conditions. So I really have to say that beta is something that that’s the normal state that most people live in.

Jason Hartman 11:44
And beta beta is not that effective. I mean, now alpha, is alpha the only one that’s effective

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 11:49
Oh, no, no, okay. That is very effective for logical analytical tasks. And for communicating can’t really communicate to all without it above. Beta, you go into gamma gamma, the beta, gamma division there really looks at passing up into stressed brainwaves until you reach about 40 cycles per second, and that particularly brainwave frequency which is in gamma equals a frequency that is often produced by Tibetan lamas and monks, when they go into altered states of consciousness. It’s interesting there are breaks there. And then below the beta, of course, is alpha. and alpha is pretty much creativity. It’s more relaxed thought process where your mind would drift rather than hammer for an answer below that, you fall down, down and literally into deeper brainwave states. Most people go into a state of sleep as they go down. Whereas the minds of winners the people that I studied can actually hold all four brainwave signs. tediously, they can have delta brainwaves without being sleeping. And incidentally, about down in that level is where things like ESP occur. I’ve actually measured that and we’re altered states begin to appear. So So these leaders that the thinking leaders have access to deeper thoughts and deeper aspects of yourself and the normal person who walks around in beta and gamma.

Jason Hartman 13:26
So how many total states are there? Or how many total states are we aware of at this point? Probably infinite. Oh, there’s a nice span beyond the alphabet.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 13:36
Yeah, it probably would have I mean, we are aware of gamma. But the fact is, then you have technology limitations. We have so much more to learn about the brain than we know now. It’s almost silly. It’s ridiculous. I’ve spent 45 years studying it. And every week, there’s something new

Jason Hartman 13:54
this may be as unlimited is space exploration. There’s a lot here

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 14:00
Yeah, if you look at string theory, for example, I mean, string theory is telling us they go beyond quantum mechanics. And they’re telling us Basically, there is a web a matrix that creates the entire universe, and that we are each of us a.on that matrix, that at the same time, we have access through consciousness, which is thought to everything that is connected to that matrix, which means we have no limits, and create our limits and create our reality. It’s basically speaking, what’s happening is metaphysics. And science is just coming right together. Want to go to number three? Yeah,

Jason Hartman 14:39
yeah, I’m really let’s, I can’t wait to cover this. Number three. So number three is the unstoppable motivation in the brain. Right?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 14:47
Exactly. And, and for most people, and and you’ve probably experienced this in your younger years yourself, you get motivated, you’re hard on a project. You’re going for it. You hit a bump in the road and you think, why am I even doing This one, you know, and that’s a common problem of why really super, super motivated people, the winners will just go right past that bump in the road, they have found ways to take the ordinary the boring tasks that they have to face. And to tie those to the big picture, which then makes them more interesting. Oh, gosh, when I get number c done, I can go to D Now, that’s where the action is. So that there’s a very steady motivation and bumps in the road that would knock most people right off their horse are not that important. That scene is that important.

Jason Hartman 15:35
winners are persistent,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 15:37
persistent and motivated, and they don’t stop.

Jason Hartman 15:40
Forgive me, but that’s just somewhat kind of trite, right? I mean, that’s not a you know, that’s not a big attack. Right? Actually,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 15:49
that is a technical, okay. All right. That is directly related to a brain state. It’s related to a particular neurotransmitter in your brain, all of what I’m saying is directly related to the actual state of the brain. Now, in order to be motivated, in order to be focused to feel enthusiasm etc, you need dopamine. Dopamine is not dopey. It is basically, the you know, it’s what gives you that motivational spark that lets you just burn through a task. And there are ways to do that you can basically feed yourself in a way that creates a higher dopamine level, you can eat protein, you can avoid sugar, you can take tyrosine supplements, which is something that I enjoy doing, because tyrosine in turn, creates sustained increases in your dopamine levels, and you can get that ready to help foodstore Okay, so tyrosine as TYRAZOTYROSINE or you can get out in the sun sunshine also stimulates the production of vitamin D, which required for the production of dopamine.

Jason Hartman 17:03
So dopamine is the persistence. supplement them. That’s what you could call it. Yeah, yeah. And it’s in it’s an internal. I mean, it’s something that’s manufactured internally, I suppose that tyrosine just helps increase the production of it.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 17:17
Exactly. And if you’re if you’re tired, if you’re stressed, that will knock those levels down.

Jason Hartman 17:23
proper sleep is important to sleep is important. It’s not a joke. Okay, how much sleep by the way? You know, there’s so much debate about that how much we need. Well,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 17:32
you know, there really is a debate about it because some people function so well on five or six. Some people need eight hours. It I think that’s a very personal thing. And how do you feel when you get up? Are you clear? Or are you groggy? If you’re groggy and not getting enough? I find that I really enjoy a 20 minute to half hour nap in the afternoon. It just really regenerates everything for me. Other people take a nap and they wake up and they say da Right. You really have you have to feel into what works for you, right?

Jason Hartman 18:05
It’s different for everybody. Yeah,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 18:06
it’s very different. But basically, it’s based on brain chemicals. There’s no, there’s no guesswork here. This is all chemically based on how your brain does what it does for you or doesn’t.

Jason Hartman 18:18
So persistence is a scientific thing. I’m glad they made the connection. So thank you for doing that. Okay, so let’s look at number four.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 18:26
Okay, number four is outrageous flexibility, that, that these winners have in their brain. And again, this is not Google. What we’re talking about is again, brain chemicals, and what happens when you stretch it. For example, I’ll go back to Einstein’s brain. He had massive, massive highways of glial cells that were packed with an abnormal amount of neural networks. And he built that brain when he was a young man. He was considered to be beyond being educated. He was so brilliant. He was just not together, and his teachers had a terrible time with them. So basically speaking, Einstein was a self built genius. And he did that with flexible thinking. Now he, for example, and many others down through history, had a way of sitting in a chair, and he would allow himself to go into an altered state of consciousness. Now I can tell you right now, he was going all the way down into delta. And the way that he would do it to maintain consciousness, so that his thoughts would be up there with him on a conscious level as he would hold a little black pebble in each hand and let his hands go over the the chair, you know, over the arm of the chair, if he dropped one, it would wake him up, he trained himself to be able to hold that state of consciousness. So basically speaking, most people, as I’ve said, and you know this to be true, live in what we call the comfort zone. They don’t like challenges, they have certain habits. They drive to work the same way. They think the same thoughts. They go home and watch the same TV programs and drink the same beer and be in the same magazine. And that’s the ritual. Now, the ritual is easy, and it’s comfortable. But the fact is the leaders, the thought leaders that I’ve worked with don’t stick to those rituals. They challenge themselves. They challenge constantly to force brain growth, because here’s what happens when your brain thinks a thought. It creates a neural network if that neural network is not used. Guess what? It’s gone in about three to five seconds. Wow. Tom,

Jason Hartman 20:44
does not say is the neural network. I mean, the neural network is physical, right? That’s the they talk about the plasticity, right or the elasticity. I’m not sure which

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 20:54
the neural network is physical reality, okay. It is in your brain. But the thing is, it’s elastica changes. Okay, so words,

Jason Hartman 21:02
let me understand something. So okay, when you think of thought Jill, you’re literally changing the physical composition of your brain just on one little thought. Absolutely. Amazing. That’s incredible. Now,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 21:16
now, here’s the interesting thing about the brain. The brain likes the comfort zone. Why do you think people fall into the comfort side? It has certain neural networks, Jason, that are very well established. I want a Budweiser. Okay, Budweiser. I don’t think I didn’t say hams, I said Budweiser. So those networks are well established and they are there. Those networks create the basis of what we call our habits and our beliefs that

Jason Hartman 21:47
marketers and the branding companies and the advertisers love this.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 21:51
You got it and and your brain will go first, to those networks automatically. Now When you go into the barn sale take a bud we’re all pavlo You don’t say you don’t say let’s see what kind of beer do I want? There’s no question. So that’s the basis of your habits and your thought process. Most people live in those places

Jason Hartman 22:15
want to ask you because I think this applies to pretty much everybody listening myself included we all have whether small or large addictive behaviors and those are serving us okay, I think everybody has their little addictions. Some people have really big bad addictions okay, but but you know, I don’t know that any type of addictive behavior is good I notice it in myself sometimes you know, I do this or that or I think this or that even a little addictive thoughts. How can we rewire assuming we want to those neural networks because those those have got to be the basis of addiction, right?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 22:50
Yes, they are. Well, look at it this way. Picture yourself walking through a metal you walk through a meadow the first time and and you know you leave a little trail through the ground. And it’s gone in three to five seconds, you turn around, you walk back over it, well, maybe it takes a little longer before it’s gone, because that’s the second time, the more times you walk on that path, the more times you use that neural network, the more established it is. The only way you can undo a trail through a meadow is to stop using it. So the only way you can undo an addictive habit is to replace it with something else. So are you going to create a new addiction? Well, maybe a new addiction should be something that would be more positive such as I know I can stop any behavior I want and create something new. So that that would become your new neural pathway. As a pathway is not used just like a path through a middle, it begins to diminish and the the neurons that were used are scattered out and go elsewhere. That’s the thing of plasticity. Yeah, your brain is plastic. You can change

Jason Hartman 24:00
Then the question becomes can old dogs learn new tricks as the saying goes, because I assume we’ve got more flexibility here. When we’re younger? I have a feeling you’re gonna say that maybe not maybe there’s hope. If we’re older and you know, like the alcoholic who’s been drinking all his life, or her life, you know, that’s a pretty tough thing to change, isn’t it? Especially with the chemical that comes from the outside, it changes your body composition to

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 24:29
Yes, it does. It changes your body composition dramatically. Yes, it’s going to be harder. And yes, it depends on one’s motivation. It comes back to do you have fire and desire enough that you will immediately stop that behavior and create an alternative.

Jason Hartman 24:46
Maybe there’s a scientific part, and I think there is I think maybe that’s the overall macro look at this is the fire and desire because what I was getting at with the addictive behaviors really is an alcoholic. He’s an as our example here, right, you know, they can never take a drink again, from what I understand because they’ll just fall back in, it’d be nice if we could sort of, you know, I’m just gonna say it kind of flirt with our addictions once in a while, you know, to have a little bit of a release, maybe So, you know, if we, if we know that, you know, this isn’t exactly the best behavior for us, but it’s not something extremely destructive. Can we kind of go back in and maybe enjoy it once in a while and then you know, jump back out of it, you know, and then, you know, we’re just making the pathway better every time we do it, right. Yeah, it’s worked that way. We’re playing with fire,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 25:38
playing with fire and guess what, you can burn your fingers,

Jason Hartman 25:41
right? Boy, I wish he would have given us an easier way out Joe

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 25:47
actually takes the fire and desire addictions are born in us in a millisecond Jason well, and they die in a millisecond of decision. decision. Now, I can tell you an interesting story about Anthony Robbins. Yeah, sure. Everyone thinks Oh my God, he’s so together and bla bla bla bla bla Anthony Robbins as a young man was very heavyset, very overweight, I’ve heard the story and was sitting at a motel because he was so poor, have a flophouse probably, and got up one morning and was dressing himself and just became so disgusted with his behavior. He picked up a shoe and threw it at the wall. Then he picked up another shoe threw at the wall and said, that’s it. I have had it. And he made an instant decision, wire passionate decision to change his life. So you know, there’s no way around it here.

Jason Hartman 26:45
Here’s the problem. Here’s the problem. Usually we like Anthony Robbins was in his comfort zone. The alcoholic is in their comfort zone, if you will. And the problem is that usually has to get so dire and so bad. And then it gets harder to rewire. Because there’s just more neuro pathway wiring. And you know, you, the longer you wait, the longer you’re in that comfort zone or that addiction, I guess the comfort zone is an addiction in a way, the harder it is to rewire. So the thing to do is, you know, notice proactively, hey, this is not exactly good for me. And before I go down this path too far, I’m gonna change it now,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 27:26
right now is always better. And I was always better than tomorrow. Tomorrow has a way of not arriving, right? You know that the sixth or the fifth thing if we go back to that list that we’re working on the seven things is creativity. Mm hmm. And I will tell you, the people that I’ve worked with, through the years, especially the higher level folks, including the ones on the Jimmy Carter’s list, actively, actively, actively have stretched their brains they use their creative muscles in just outrageous ways

Jason Hartman 28:02
should we all be subscribing to, you know lumosity.com or those,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 28:07
the MMA city is not going to teach you to be creative, okay? Basically, what I recommend you do, creativity is very connected to your central brain and also to your right brain. So creativity, you can build your creative muscles. But what you have to do is determine that you’re going to respond in new ways to challenges in new ways to problems, to allow yourself to develop new connections in the brain, and especially in the regions of the central and lower parts. So creativity is not just a right brain thing, it also it can stimulate whole brain integration that we talked about earlier and strong ties down into your emotions. If you close down your emotions, you’re closing down your creativity because creativity utilizes the limbic system. system, the emotional system in the center of your brain. So you’re really saying we should all be more emotional. Allow yourself to be more emotional, well myself to feel your emotions, allow your emotions to come to the surface. Because there is just such a tie between emotions and creativity, you wouldn’t believe it. People that are shut down emotionally are not tending to be creative. They just aren’t. So what you want to do is, you know, spend time to to explore unfamiliar topics, challenge yourself, people that are very logical, I recommend that they go and take a painting class, or take a poetry class or something that will totally put them in the other side of their brain and allow them to expand that. And also, I’ve done a lot of brainwave studies that basically speaking, when you have one of those aha insights that lights up the whole surface of your cortex, what you’re doing As you have a high gamma brainwave spike. Now this level of gamma brainwave creativity is when your neurons suddenly connect and they create an entire new neural network that reaches up into the gamma level, okay? that enters your consciousness and is occurring in the right cortex. This is all measurable, it’s all measurable. And you can develop this by concentrating intently on a goal or a problem and then let it go lacks road, just relax and go into an altered state, just let it go. But don’t go to sleep. That’s when you’re generating alpha. And that’s going to set the stage for that those novel connections that are going to occur. So just allow your mind to drift and you can always do what Einstein did hold a little rock or something in each hand so that you keep yourself from falling into sleep, because sleep is not going to generate creativity.

Jason Hartman 30:54
There’s got to be a way to use what I’ll call the dead time but it’s not dead time. I know It’s super important and that is sleep. What about sleep learning playing audios while we’re sleeping? Would that just disturb us and diminish our sleep quality? Or is there some way you can hack sleep, if you will to learn more while you’re sleeping or to use the power of your dreaming? You know, I mean, I read a book on lucid dreaming. I don’t really know how to do it, but it sounds like a great skill.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 31:25
The interesting thing is when you’re doing lucid dreaming, you’re not asleep. Well, okay. There’s really no way that I have discovered personally, either a science or an art of actually using sleep train,

Jason Hartman 31:41
so just leave the sleep alone. Now, what do you think I asked, I mentioned at the beginning, but what do you think of things like by neural beats and Holocene these? Oh, I’m glad you asked these things that promised to make your brain work together both sides,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 31:54
right? Well, I use Greenway training extensively, and I have for 45 years why? One of the first things I discovered is that binaural beats, unfortunately, you very soon find a way to turn them off your brain does, your brain gets bored, it says I’m not going to listen to that anymore. And and turns it off, it’s much more effective to use isochronic tones, which I also like to use in many of my brainwave trainings that I do and to introduce some music and some change because the brain loves changing stimulation. It doesn’t like the same old thing for hours and hours, it just

Jason Hartman 32:33
shuts it off by normal is pretty boring. Allison binarize her to listen to?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 32:37
Yeah, holosync is a little bit better. Yeah.

Jason Hartman 32:40
But where do we get these isochronic beats is that we call them?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 32:44
Yeah, actually, I have two places that you can come and I recommend that anyone that’s interested in the brain, come to build mind power.com

Jason Hartman 32:57
Okay, and just in just four disclosure purposes is are you involved with that? Is that your

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 33:04
Yes? Like, Oh, yes, that’s my, that’s one of my websites I have over 10. Okay. And actually, there’s a free course they can get there that they’ll enjoy. There’s articles there that they can read. And in addition to that, their products and they will learn a little bit more also about the audios or they can go to quantum leap audios and learn more about the audios that I use. I have many, many different audio collections, some for creativity, you know, whatever. full range.

Jason Hartman 33:35
What was that quantum leap, one,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 33:37
quantum leap, audios,

Jason Hartman 33:40
okay. And are these things where you know, you’re down? It’s an mp3 download or a CD or something? Or do you have an app for the iPhone? Or an

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 33:48
mp3? mp3? Yes. And they do play on iPhones and pads and computers and stuff. Okay,

Jason Hartman 33:54
let’s talk about the remaining steps. We have a few more steps I think okay, let’s go to resilience.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 34:00
For that, basically speaking, that is a learned trait. And I often think of Martha, when she had her encounter with the government a few years back, and basically met the press and had lemons in her hand. And what she said to them is, my mother always taught me to make lemonade out of lemons, there is an unstoppable resilience that comes with this winners brain. And basically speaking, you can take winner and knock them to the ground, and they’re going to get up faster than anyone else. And sometimes the harder you hit them, the faster they’ll get up. Now, obviously, that’s a learned skill that comes as you develop your brain. It’s not something that’s necessarily automatic, but it is learnable. And the ability to deal effectively with challenges is very important. It’s a refined skill, especially if you look at investors. For example, I’m an investor. I’m know how it is, sometimes you win, and sometimes you’re going to get kicked in the shins. And that’s the truth. And if you stop the first time you get kicked in the shins, you’re not an investor anymore. You’re a loser,

Jason Hartman 35:11
come now. So

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 35:12
basically speaking, alpha breaks, I think are one of the most important things to build resilience to not identify with the failure of it happens to immediately call it lesson, a learning to restructure anything that kicks you in the shins into something that you have learned, that’s going to take you forward. And that’s an attitude.

Jason Hartman 35:35
I think a lot of this comes down to just self talk too, doesn’t it? Because if we, if we tell ourselves in a convincing manner that we’re persistent and we get up after we fall down, then we were just going to become that person, right?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 35:51
Yes, we are. And, and the way that that works is, let’s take a little sidetrack here and take a look at that what you’re talking about is really affirmations in order There’s a person that wants to become a successful investor or a successful tennis player, you know, whatever. And if they spend five minutes a day, saying, I am a successful investor, I am a successful tennis player, you might presume that this would be helpful to them. But the truth is, the minute they put that down, if their brain then comes back and says, Yeah, well, I lost, you know, 25,000 on that last deal and blood, the brain will return to negative thoughts unless you are very persistent. And I mean, you have to mean it. You have to put someone put the monkey on your shoulder to watch for those negative messages. And they come in the subconscious mind and when the minute you hear it, turn it around and say no, I am a successful investor. I learned from that so that you have to restructure your thought process and you can’t just do it five minutes a day and expect it to do Anything for you. So perseverance furthers

Jason Hartman 37:04
How long do you need to do it, then I mean, if it gets,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 37:07
you have to do it all your life as long as, as long as those negative little things sneak around in the back of your mind and kind of persevere. Because you know, each of our devils live within us, each of the things that encourage us to fail, or give up or not try again, or, you know, I’ve fallen down 95 times on these on the skateboard, and I’m not going to fall in 96 every time you find a negative thought, go after it, go after it and mean it. And just and watch for them and turn them around and you will find that you’ll have fewer and fewer and more and more positive thoughts happening. It’s reconditioning the brain, it’s a plasticity, your brain will pay attention to the path that you pass over the most times. That’s the simplest way I can put it. One more thing, okay, that really sets winners apart and then Future orientation. The winners in any field are not looking over their shoulder at what happened before. What they’re looking at is, what is my goal? What are the two things that I have to do today to move forward on that? Have I done them? Okay, let’s go do them now. Where am I going? They focus on what it is that they want and where they’re going to get it and not what has happened in the past. You know, past successes are okay, but don’t focus on just a past success. Focus on how you’re going to use it to go forward.

Jason Hartman 38:36
The future orientation, I can definitely see that, you know, I recently had Dan Millman on the show of Peaceful Warrior, a great book, great movie out he or ecker tolay they would say live in the now. So how do you reconcile that future orientation with live in the now advice?

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 38:53
Basically speaking, you’re creating your future in the present moment, like Ellen watts, Ellen Watson. Now unless you are present in the present moment, you’re not creating the future, you create it. Basically speaking, we are probably about, you know, maybe 15 seconds ahead of ourselves anyway, is what the evidence seems to appear is that we’re living the future already. So be here now is an excellent thing to say. It’s it’s what the religious leaders say. It’s what Elon wants to say, just be here now, and you will be enlightened, then you’ll know. You know how to move forward. And then next five, next five minutes now be here now.

Jason Hartman 39:32
Mm hmm. So that future orientation isn’t about having long term goals for the next 510 years or even the next year. It’s about having a goal. 15 seconds out.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 39:44
Well, you can have a goal for for the rest of your life. There’s nothing wrong with goals, goals, set your mind to what it is you want to accomplish. But if you are here now, what if you suddenly discover that that’s not really the goal that you want anyway, being totally present? In the moment is an expanded consciousness. And Newman would tell you that you know, any of them would tell you that you are expanded when you’re in the present moment.

Jason Hartman 40:09
There’s just one more thing I want to ask you about. I know I’m keeping it a little long here. So I hope it’s okay. It’s okay. It’s It’s your fault, because you’re so interesting. So you have to take responsibility for being interesting. You know, I take responsibility. Fully. The thing I want to ask you about, we’ve alluded to it a few times, just throughout the conversation, I think but the law of attraction type of stuff, I find that to be missing, you know, that I and I’m really referring mostly to the secret I guess, when I say that, but it was so popular a few years back, and I find that to be missing, certainly some important parts, you know, it’s just not the whole picture. You can sit around and hang out a new age conferences and you know, say you’re attracting prosperity and all the people I know that do this that are not generally very prosperous. There are those who think and talk and those who do maybe but when it comes to this into fixed side of Carl pre brumm and the holographic brain theory stuff that I discovered so many years ago. I just think wow, I mean, that seems to make some leaps in logic that we have not yet discovered. But hey, in 1960 going to the moon was magic. What do you say about that? You know, how do you have goal achievement, and we’ve definitely alluded to that in this talk, but maybe wrapping some of it up or adding to it.

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 41:24
I see law of attraction and goal achievement from the standpoint of the brain, which is logical. That’s that’s where I come from. And when you talk about the two again, what I want to go back to is the path through the metal It’s really that simple. Are those law of attraction people actually creating a neural network that will take them where they want to go? Or are they doing they’re going Bogum of this thing today, that thing tomorrow, try something else the next day, not really committed to believing that they are achieving it, they are wanting it for the future. And they spend maybe five minutes thinking I, you know, I blah, blah, blah. But then the minute they turn away and go back to their life, there’s this little voice in the back of the mind that says, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you want a new house, but you can’t even take care of the one you got? or What do you mean, you want a new car? You know, what do you need a new car for? So there is the distraction that comes up? Doesn’t matter whether it’s law of attraction, or goal setting, it doesn’t matter. It’s the same, same same. Are you committed? Are you on path? Do you really know what you want? And are you taking the steps to create it? Regardless of the bumps in the road, regardless of what anyone else says? Are you using your full brain in the most efficient way to create and manifest your goal or your law of attraction goal? It comes to it’s the same it’s literally is the same Not Google, it comes down to what’s happening in your brain. You didn’t really talk much about visualization, talk about the neural pathway, I guess. So that really, I guess we influence that neural pathway, through visualization through self talk, right? And through actual live experiences to write through things that we read things that we focus on, what you focus on, you will create basically, we create our lives according to what we focus on. Again, that comes to the law of attraction that comes to goal setting that comes to what you’re visualizing comes to what you’re affirming, it all comes together, and it’s all brain science. You know, how effectively Are you using your brain to accomplish what it is you want to accomplish?

Jason Hartman 43:46
I want to compliment you your interview was excellent in you have so many books and the reviews are numerous and very, very high on Amazon. You know, I get suspicious whenever I see a book with like, you know, eight reviews But your books have, you know, over 100 reviews many times and that, you know, four and a half stars. So very good, very good stuff. I’m looking forward to diving into more of your content. And so you can find a lot of it on amazon.com but I’m sure you want to give out one of your websites and tell people where they can, you know, learn more, you gave it a couple of the the audio websites but I don’t know if you have a more general one you want to know them,

Dr. Jill Ammon-Wexler 44:21
the more general one is build mind power.com and i think i think they really enjoy that website. And also there’s a free course there are 12 part course. It’s not just a lightweight, you know, yada yada. It’s a very meaty course they’re welcome to┬ápick up.

Jason Hartman 44:38
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