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Trump Impeachment & Saving Our Republic with Phil Haney, Best Selling Author of See Something, Say Nothing

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In this episode of Heroic Investing Gary Pinkerton interviews Phil Haney, author of See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security Officer Exposes the Governments Submission to Jihad. Haney, recently retired on the frontline of DHS, talks about threats to the nation, and how he was investigated by the very same agency that assigned him to protect the nation. He discusses national awareness campaigns on terrorism. This goes into the title of his book, If You See Something, Say Nothing.

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Welcome to the heroic investing show. As first responders we risk our lives every day our financial security is under attack. Our pensions are in a state of emergency. A single on duty incident can alter or erase our earning potential instantly and forever. We are the heroes of society. We are self reliant and we need to take care of our own financial future. The heroic investing show is our toolkit of business and investing tactics on our mission to financial freedom. Welcome to the heroic investing show, a podcast for first responders, members, the military, veterans and anyone looking to improve their financial future and gain some freedom with their time. We teach America’s heroes how to build passive income, build their startup business and safely grow wealth through real estate and other alternative investments. We have current and prior First Responders put protections systems and a team in place to help them build a life where they can focus on their passion, that service or product that they’re uniquely gifted to share with others, making the world a better place for all of us. My name is Gary Pinkerton and I co host this show with Jason Hartman. This is Episode 225 Episode 225. Today’s guest is author Phil Haney. He’s a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security or DHS in 2002. He talks about on this episode how he volunteered there without being paid for quite a while before transitioning into a Customs and Border Protection officer and eventually up to an armed CBP officer. And he spent a lot of time in intelligence in briefing the leadership of DHS, and he actually his background is entomology. He’s an agriculture officer, d h, or H CBP agriculture officer, he served at DHS, several tours of duty at the National targeting center near Washington, DC and only recently moved back to his home state of California where he grew up. So he has a fascinating story about having been put under the microscope by the same individuals who are currently running the impeachment trials circus, if you will, against President Trump. And he talks about how this is a threat to our constitutional republic, and how so many people get get wrong this republic versus democracy and how Actually, he hopes and prays that it goes to the Senate so that we can once and for all get ourselves back on on the right track. This is really compelling for me and I appreciated, what he’s done for our country and what people like him and bringing all of this to light and energy kading Republic, what that can do to keep this amazing experiment that our heroic Founding Fathers started 250 years ago, please join me in a walk down memory lane, about what this country was founded for, and what it’s about, and how the circus we see playing out is actually going to make a stronger. Thanks so much and enjoy this conversation with Phil Haney. Thanks very much for joining us here on heroic investing. Well, Phil, let’s talk about your career and what led you up to all of your your time in both Border Patrol as well as Department of Homeland Security. I mean, you were a founding member of DHS, and what was that like when it first got stood up?

Phil Haney 3:43
Well, it was in the aftermath of 911. So everything was had a high sense of urgency and very serious focus a sense of purpose. And that’s why often mentioned that I’m a founding member, it’s not just bring attention To my self, I’m trying to set a baseline moment. I saw everything that happens subsequently, from literally the very first day. It’s not like I merged in with the flow of traffic some three, four or 510 years down the road and just decided there were things I didn’t like about the way they were operating within the agency. No, I saw it from the very first day. And my background in entomology as agricultural scientists, I focused on the Middle East. And so I worked in the Middle East a lot before 911. So that gave me the grounding. You know, it wasn’t never theoretical for me. Yeah. And when 911 happened, I knew intuitively immediately the ideology and the worldview of the people that did it, and I volunteered. I went and saw max Cleveland, you as a Democrat. Senator from Georgia. And you might remember him he is well known for being a triple amputee from the Vietnam War era. And again, I only mentioned Democrat, not because of partisan but at that time in our post 911 era, and you know, those those walls weren’t there much, you know, was democrat republican in name only at that time and he wrote a letter on my behalf to Tom Ridge, who was the original secretary of what was called the Office of Homeland Security. He wasn’t even in department yet. And long and short of it is I went in as a volunteer, and very quickly started doing Intel refeeds since I’ve worked in the Middle East, and I studied Quranic Arabic and strategy and tactics of the global Islamic movement. I knew what they were saying and what they really meant. And I would prefer these briefings and send them up the chain of command. And at first, no one really knew what to do with me. They didn’t really understand what I was sending to them. But they did create a special unit called the intelligence review unit. I started working on the real hard cases, you know, the ones that no one else was really particularly familiar with. And that led me eventually to being assigned to the national targeting center up in Washington DC, what I call the secret squirrel headquarters of DHS. And there I worked on a very large global level case called the top Leakey jumada initiative. And that may or may not be a familiar name, but it started very familiar connection to us and that is San Bernardino, as well as actually Orlando. And I also worked on the Muslim Brotherhood network operating in United States so the two major global level Islamic group groups that I’ve focused on are the ones that ended up giving me in all kinds of trouble with the Obama administration, and that’s when I became eventually

Gary Pinkerton 7:11
known as the whistleblower. Not because I chose it, but because I was simply doing the job that I took my oath to do to protect our constitution and threat, both foreign and domestic. And I found myself in the middle of a real storm that we’re actually seeing play out virtually every day right now. I ended up getting investigated nine times by my people in my own agency, and the roster of people that have been going after President Trump since literally the day that he was elected, if not inaugurated. As exactly this same roster people are going after law enforcement officers like myself, inside the agency for years before we ever heard about President Trump being coming or running for president does Same literal roster. So now I’ve got this nexus between the global level Islamic terrorism aspect. And right in a sense right in the middle of the heart of the political storm that we’re seeing going on. Right now here in Washington there in Washington DC. I’m connected to both of them through what I did in my background as a CBP officer Customs and Border Protection and in the intel community. So I’m standing like right in the middle between two as a literal eyewitness to history, because I know these people, they came after me. I know what how they operate, so nothing that they do surprises me. I wish I didn’t have to say that. I wish I would like to get surprised once in a while. I don’t get surprised very often to be truth.

Phil Haney 8:58
Yeah, I guess around And alongside, right,

Gary Pinkerton 9:01
yes, right. It’s like, it’s pretty predictable, unfortunately.

Phil Haney 9:07
Yeah, gosh. So you’re, of course in your book, see something say nothing. Homeland Security Officer exposes the government’s submission to jihad. So a lot of this comes out that your side but not none of which none of the, the Trump replay of everything right to this stuff. We’re seeing again, being replayed.

Gary Pinkerton 9:24
Actually, the people that are after Trump are in the index of the book. Right, right. Yeah, I understand.

Phil Haney 9:29
But but it was published before any of that stuff came out, right.

Gary Pinkerton 9:32
Yeah. And that proves to prove that kind of verifies my story, doesn’t it? I simply took those threads, those pieces and wove them into the fabric of the story. Not because I foresaw that like four years later, from art from May of 2016. Aha, these same people are going to go on and be played prominent roles on the national Bix green the national stage. No, I didn’t know that I just wove their parts of the story as it existed then into the book. And lo and behold, they’ve come out now their national, prominent, you know, on the national political stage, whether you like them or you don’t like them. They played the major role in subsequent events, which means that they were doing these kinds of things a long time before President Trump ever decided to run for president. And when he won, they were essentially forced out of cover, they had to come right out into the open. And that’s basically what happened.

Phil Haney 10:42
So from an insider’s view, and for those of us who aren’t paying too close attention to the drama here, what, interpret what’s going on here and in if you want to give a project a prediction of what happens, that’s great as well, but I’d love for you to talk about your reasoning for it going TO to send it as well.

Gary Pinkerton 11:01
It’s a, it’s a desperate, they’re they’re desperate.

Phil Haney 11:05
They’re so compelled by their ideology that they’re, they’re violating due process, procedure and policy, I call them the three P’s. And it’s going to come back. The precedents that they’re setting by violating these three P’s will be dissected with the fight in the Senate, which is why I hope that it does go to the Senate, because eventually enough is going to have to be enough, isn’t it? If we have a constitutional republic, and we have a checks and balances form of government, if one branch of the government in this case the majority in the House, not even a full branch, half of one of the branches can bring President Trump on impeachment charges while violating every aspect of privacy. And policy and procedure. That means my friend, none of us are secure, none of us. And if we’re ever to go to a majority meaning doing away, for example with the, the electoral college then if you’re on the wrong side of the majority, the main reason why that’s such an important point is that you have no basis for appeal. You want to see a foreshadowing of it, look at the way they’re conducting the hearings. Now. There is no clear basis for appeal. There has not been any structure built into the proceedings for the usual concept of a court hearing or hearing. Like what we’re used to ever since we were little kids, that’s been left out. And if they establish that precedent, then Then who is a person like you or me, or anybody else is listening who are We’re going to appeal to it’s definitely that’s why it’s so important. It’s definitely

Gary Pinkerton 13:05
extremely sobering. Why do you think I mean, I would say most people wouldn’t say that President Trump is an individual, they would point to, to say this person is always going to be above the fray. He’s not going to get mixed up in it. But yet he’s letting this play out. And sure he tweets about it, but, but he’s not trying to bring in the strong arm of the executive branch to Stop the nonsense like, Why Why is that? Why do you that’s gonna

Phil Haney 13:29
be his greatest legacy. Why? Yeah, because it’s obvious. He’s demonstrating by his actions. He does believe in a constitutional republic. And even though it’s like watching sausages be made. He’s allowing the process to go forward. But it also tells me based on what I feel like I know about his character and his personality, that he has cards to play that he’s not shown yet. And the reason why he’s not paralyzed. by fear and anxiety, it’s just he knows more than he lets on on an everyday basis. And that when this is all said and done that a lot more will be coming to light, as bad as it is now. Imagine if there wasn’t an agent provocateur tour, as some might call him in a position of authority like President Trump, and I don’t need to imagine it. Actually, I’m already seeing how they operate. And that there is no basis to know I was investigated nine times by the very same people not once debating divided depending on how you want to divide up what they’ve been doing with President Trump, you know, was there Russia gate was there you know, the different phases then it became the steel dossier then it became now you Karanja however you want to die divided up. And if that’s one big investigation, or maybe two or three little are ones that are kind of connected. Imagine going through that for a 10 year period, nine times and surviving it.

Gary Pinkerton 15:17
So when you left, you’ve left the agency you left in good stead. And all of that was behind you.

Phil Haney 15:22
Yeah, I have hired honorably I mentioned, as well not to draw attention to the fact it’s actually a miraculous thing. The fact that I was actually able to retire honorably. You imagine how many different times over that 10 year period that I could have crashed into the wall, at any given moment? made the slightest misstep. It’s like trying to navigate a submarine in the Mariana Trench with no sonar. How would you manage to do it? Yeah, that would be that would be a gnarly experience, wouldn’t it?

Gary Pinkerton 15:59
It would definitely be They would definitely be what advice you have. So you’ve endured something that obviously was longer than most of us have to endure anything at all. And there was no fairness to it, I guess I would call it I mean, it’s a due process, but you can call it fairness. What advice you have for people out there who are, you know, slogging through something that seems like it’s not going to end.

Phil Haney 16:21
It’s actually not that it’s very simple friend. It’s like an oath. When you get to the place where you make the determination, that you’re going to stand on what’s right and true, no matter what. It simplifies everything. It’s not complicated. And then you just have to, if you have faith now would be a good time to exercise faith in the fact that the truth and what’s right will come eventually prevail. But you have to be aware that you should be you can lose Everything. Yeah, there was no certainty of outcome for me I could have just as well been NJ, you know, I could have just as well been simply fired and lost my pension and been discredited and basically not able to talk to people like you, because there would have been a question mark fluttering around in the closet. And it would have been just just enough to keep most people from ever talking to me. Sure, but thankfully, they were never able, ever once to stick a hook in me on any of the things that they tried to charge me with. Because I stood up I never exaggerate rated Mr. B, another piece of advice always tell the truth. And the other thing, especially speaking to the guys, be careful about how you behave yourself. Don’t get yourself involved in things that are going to come back and bite You and with us guys. We all know it’s a pretty short list, isn’t it? Same thing that most guys get in trouble with are the same things that you will get in trouble with if you’re not careful. So you have to maintain your integrity. You can’t have any holes in your armor. And you got to stand up no matter what. And not back down. Now, have I gotten any remedy that? Have I been invited to the White House and gotten a Medal of Freedom or have I been compensated? Have I been asked to come back and work in the federal government? Nope. But I know, today, next week, next month, next year, somewhere along in the process, that the truth of what I said will come out, maybe it’ll be the historians of the next generation. But I made it easy for him because I never exactly I was told the truth, I laid it all out in very straightforward narrative. And every day that goes by that book that I wrote becomes more and more valuable as a piece of historical document. Here’s all the names and all the dates. Are there the footnotes are there the letters that are, it’s all there. And by the way, I’m going to write another one follow up, is going to be called national security meltdown. And I even bought the domain so nobody could steal a name from me. So national security meltdown, you believe we’ve had a meltdown? I believe they have sick in some respects, at least not a total meltdown. Is it? Is it? Can it be fixed? Can it be remedied? Yes.

Gary Pinkerton 19:52
Yeah. As long as we address it at some point. Yeah.

Phil Haney 19:55
That’s my point is that everybody can relate to a melt down. It’s either an emotional meltdown, a reactor meltdown, God forbid on a submarine. That’s the scariest word there is. This isn’t a meltdown. Absolutely. But all of us in some way or another can relate to this thing called a meltdown. And what I’m talking about is the national security meltdown. And we’re seeing it in the, in the abuse process that I referred to earlier, or procedure or policy. That’s a meltdown, a form of one.

Gary Pinkerton 20:31
And to your point, when we were talking back, I love you brought this up. I wanted to bring the point up as well, but you did a great job. When I asked you that question about why is why is Trump remaining above above this? Because he could not do a better job, you know, like they’re creating their own social proof. Playing this out the way they are like he would be crazy to stop it really. So I have a question though. Like, why would I believe it’s your I think it is your belief That impeaching Trump would backfire big time for the democrats not just this circus that we’re going through but if it actually if they actually succeeded which I I know you said before before we started airing here that that you don’t think it will and i agree i don’t i don’t think it will either but if it did, that would be a big backfire. Why is that?

Phil Haney 21:20
Well impeachment is one thing they probably will impeach him they said they were going to do that from

Gary Pinkerton 21:26
removed from office Yeah, Miss I misspoke removed from office as one man

Phil Haney 21:31
but to force it into the court into the daylight. That’s basically what we’re This is our legal system is the antidote the antiseptic to this abuse that we’ve been seeing. If you look up on the web, I wrote a little editorials called impeachment is the paradox of liberty. impeachment is the paradox of liberty. And I point out that is just exactly that is structured English. former government in order to prevent any particular leader, including the President from becoming a tyrant, of taking over the entire, you know, becoming a dictator. Thank God for the vision of our founding fathers. They knew human nature very well. And they built this provision. But you notice that they really didn’t define it, because if they had oversight over defined it, then it would have been a narrower or narrower avenue to use it. And so they basically allowed the house to impeach President on anything that they can prove might be high crime and misdemeanor, they can charge him with sneezing too many times, which is basically what they’re doing with this procedure. But ultimately, they’re going to have to bring it to the doctor, meaning the supreme the Senate and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Is the judge of the trial. And that’s when all the evidence that has been disregarded so far will be brought out. And if we’re ever going to recover ourselves, or as President Lincoln said, disenthrall ourselves from the difficulties that we’re in right now, we’re going to have to go through this national catharsis where we literally lay it out on the table, and once and for all, go from a through B through Z, and lay it on the table so that everybody in the country can see it. And that’s the that is why it’s a paragon to the thing that is designed to prevent us from going into tyranny can be abused to create tyranny, meaning the impeachment process, which is what we’re seeing right now. So it’s a great paradox, but if we didn’t have that option, then we really wouldn’t be in control. Role of our government. And the paradox is that it can be used surgically, or it can be abused like it is right now. But thank God for the system of government that we have, because as unpleasant it is, is it is to watch the whole thing go forward. It’s exactly what we need to happen in the form of government that we have. Yeah.

Gary Pinkerton 24:29
Well, that was very well said, and I love your, your, your emphasis on constitutional republic and you know, not democracy. And yes, I mean, obviously, you have studied it very well, and you’ve lived it and it’s in your soul. And this has been a tremendous talk. I really do appreciate it. I had I had an interesting podcast that I did back, I guess was Fourth of July, maybe this year, maybe the year before her but it was it was a dive down. into the difference and why it makes a big difference in your conversation. I don’t, frankly, I don’t remember. I think it was maybe off air before we started, but you were talking about if we ever did divulge, or fall down into, you know, a majority vote. Yeah,

Phil Haney 25:19
we have no majority without the Electoral College, right? Yeah, then one party becomes their the judiciary, they’re the executive and their legislative. And if you’re on the other side of the narrative, God help you. Right, there’s no place to appears no recourse at all. That’s right. None whatsoever. I’d like to mention one more quick thing. It’s a little bit of a trick question. Okay. A few months ago, Jerry Nadler said the President Trump’s behavior was a threat to our democracy. That was his words Jerry Nadler, Chairman of the House Judiciary, who’s running the hearing. Right now literally as we speak, my trick question is with Jerry Nadler. Right?

Gary Pinkerton 26:06
Is Trump a threat

Phil Haney 26:10
to our to our Republic,

Gary Pinkerton 26:11
I’ll have to add the caveat that it’s net Nat Adler that said, our democracy Oh, so I’ll say is President Trump a threat to their democracy? Absolutely. He

Phil Haney 26:24
is. I appreciate you kind of emphasizing absolutely he is because they want this democracy and he’s gonna stop it. He’s gonna keep the risk, right, solid.

Gary Pinkerton 26:32
We don’t have a democracy. So and every time they say that would be a little homework assignment for everybody. Anytime somebody in the House or the Senate in any political office says that someone is a threat to our democracy. That’s a dead giveaway. They don’t know what they were elected to represent. They weren’t elected to represent a democracy. They’re elected to represent a constitutional republic, or I don’t know if they really Lies how floydian is when they say that I was just gonna say that.

Phil Haney 27:03
I’m glad you said Friday because it’s either that or they’re showing their hand. They’re either an idiot or their shoulder. Yeah,

Gary Pinkerton 27:09
however you want to put it. There, they’re showing that they don’t even actually realize rep recognize what they were elected to represent. And so somebody like Trump is, or you or me. Yeah. That said,

Phil Haney 27:24
Thank you so much. We’re at the end of the past that a little bit but this has been tremendous.

Gary Pinkerton 27:31
Phil, how can anybody reach out to you if they want to talk more or hear more? How can they find out more?

Phil Haney 27:37
Well, I am on Facebook. Okay, I’m on Facebook as the Philip haneen lose in Plymouth. With you query me you’ll find two of me once a shell account, and the other one is the real one. It’s a Plymouth, California that’s the ID filippini that lives in limits. You can email me my emails. Really easy. Is my last name Haney ha ne y, underscore, not dash underscore, Philip pH i l one [email protected] Um, you can send me a message through Facebook or you can just send me an email. And I have a little shell website that I’m going to be building on. And it is national security meltdown.com I think it is. There’s really not much there. But it’ll be growing in the next few weeks and months. But the best way right now is face his book and or email. I always respond. Not necessarily in five minutes, but I always respond. That’s awesome.

Gary Pinkerton 28:47
Well, you have, you’re in retirement and you have some wonderful sunshine. We’ll give you a pass on the immediate response. Phil Haney. Thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate your time today.

Phil Haney 28:57
You’re welcome. Thanks for the opportunity.

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